• Tom Fones

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    23/04/2022 at 16:36
  • Jung Roe

    Member
    23/04/2022 at 23:42

    Hi David, some nice examples of counterpoint moments in Westside Story and My Fair Lady movies, thanks! Looks like the score composers used it very effectively. This suddenly made me think of this one. There is some use of counterpoint in the beginning vocals and later on in the operatic singing parts. And this also makes me think that in a lot of beautiful ballads, you often times have the independent melodic line of a guitar or piano and the melodic line of the singing that weave in and out with each other like a conversation forming a counterpoint. That effect really adds to the beauty of a ballad. That is very similar to classical music violin sonatas, where they have a piano and violin, and when each plays it’s own melodic line through out, you have the effect of a ballad with counterpoint too. It’s like that Beethoven Violin Sonata no 5 (Spring) that I posted previously here on another thread.

    https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ

  • Jung Roe

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    23/04/2022 at 23:58

    Hi Tom, thanks for sharing that one by Baskin and Batteau. Nice performance, and they really hit it off in the end with that counterpointing flourish.

    This reminds of this wonderful gem that I love going way, way back to the desert in Australia. Mona and Lisa harmonize wonderfully, then at the very end their vocals separate off in contrapuntal explosion. Love it!

    https://youtu.be/5gmvezk4YeU

  • Tom Fones

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    24/04/2022 at 02:06

    Another one from Buskin & Batteau.

    They have sung this better but i can’t find the studio verison…

    which was probably done back in the 80s.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=buskin+%26+batteau+he+used+to+treat+her+treat+me+right&t=ffab&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPBrkEi6ds08

  • Jung Roe

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    24/04/2022 at 03:14

    Tom, that’s a nice song “He Use to Treat Her” with great counterpoint vocals. Buskin and Batteau remind me of Simon and Garfunkle.

  • David Herrick

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    24/04/2022 at 03:40
  • Jung Roe

    Member
    25/04/2022 at 15:47

    A cute one David, and very good counterpoint there. I like the silhouette of Charlie Brown and Snoopy.

    Here is one just for fun. Always love the music in Charlie Brown.

    https://youtu.be/JkiGsSCF7-k

    It’s a kind of counterpoint between Shroeder playing Beethoven and Lucy singing April Showers.

  • Tom Fones

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    25/04/2022 at 15:52

    Poor Schroeder. I hope he doesn’t go around kicking footballs.

    • Jung Roe

      Member
      25/04/2022 at 16:27

      They should do a Peanuts cartoon Tom, where Shroeder finally marries Lucy. ????

  • Jung Roe

    Member
    25/04/2022 at 15:55

    This piece by Bach is the quintessential model of melody and counterpoint from Bach’s “The Well Tempered Clavier Book II”, performed by Glenn Gould.

    Bach’s “The Well Tempered Clavier Books I and II”, are considered one of the greatest monuments to music and considered the foundation of western music. It is a piano practice book Bach created to teach keyboard to his students. It became the practice book for Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Liszt….. and hosts of great composers who would follow, teaching the foundations of music structure, melody, counterpoint etc….this is where the likes of Beethoven would have learned his piano from.

    https://youtu.be/gg7ovviljsk

  • Jacki Hopper

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    26/04/2022 at 02:56

    Huh… Counterpoint ?! ..lol…Again…I’m lost and confused-kinda late-to-the party in not knowing the tech point aspects in whatever genre of music when it’s mentioned here… I just know to sense the poetical vibes of songs.. if I like/dislike from get-go but am enjoying reading your replies….I just don’t fully understand/grasp the concepts … forgive my duh-ness in not being able to contribute more in this topic.. wish I was more Music Tech Smart then I am so I could understand/grasp/contribute more commentary to the topic, but alas, I’m just somewhat MusicTech illiterate limited ????

  • David Herrick

    Member
    26/04/2022 at 21:20

    Jacki, I think counterpoint is basically just two or more different melodies played at the same time that sound good together.

  • David Herrick

    Member
    06/05/2022 at 03:05

    This song is originally from a Danny Kaye movie, but I know it from Sesame Street. There is counterpoint not only musically, but also lyrically (science vs. art):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0lQ0bdcjfY&t=93s

  • Tom Fones

    Member
    06/05/2022 at 03:52

    Poco. Just the chorus at the end.

    I sure miss these guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoDsOpWwSf8

  • David Herrick

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    17/06/2022 at 02:40

    I think I posted this song once before in another context. It builds to the point where there are three completely different melodies going on at the same time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9n0WKTMA7E

  • Jung Roe

    Member
    18/06/2022 at 05:28

    David, what an awesome use of counterpoint in this one. The 3 independent vocal melodies sounded great together. One of the best use of counterpoint in a rock song.

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