[Jung Roe]

Howard, I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but this video touches upon the Beatles – Rolling Stones rivalry quite well.  Interestingly the Rolling Stones come from a very different back ground than the Beatles, a more educated affluent background which surprised me given their bad boy more rebellious image they always portrayed over the Beatles.   It shows some insight into the early day beginnings of both bands quite well.  It looks like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones rivalry began in 1963, and the Rolling Stones manager’s strategy from the beginning was to create that anti-Beatles image for the Rolling Stones to stir up that rivalry in the media to help the Stones get a footing in the music industry.  There was however,  some unexpected behind the scenes things that went on between the Beatles and the Stones that was never really disclosed to the public.  This video reveals that which is very interesting.  I won’t spoil it.  It’s quite sad how the record labels and promoters really ripped off both bands in the end which led to the demise of one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96XlphbmC_0

 

 

 

[Jung Roe]

The positive public response on youtube for MLT’s Starman is overwhelming.  People are just raving about it, and it looks like from many David Bowie fans too.  Had to listen to it several times today, as it keeps drawing me back to it.

Mona and Lisa, it is soooooooooo gooooooooood!!!  Over 13K views in just 48 hours.

Well there is this one guy from another planet who criticized it, but I think he’s one of those trolls looking for attention and doesn’t deserve a validation with a response.

[Jung Roe]

Here are a couple I just came across while searching on Google:

“Led Zeppelin claiming credit for “Dazed and Confused,” a folk-rock song by the American singer-songwriter Jake Holmes two years before Led Zeppelin”

“Led Zeppelin found itself with more litigation when Spirit bassist Mark Andes filed a suit against “Stairway to Heaven.” The case went to trial in 2016, but a jury found that the similarities were not copyright infringement. The verdict was appealed in March 2017.  Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven” was said to be a plagiarized version of the band Spirit’s song “Taurus.”

I will have to listen to Taurus later and compare it to Stair Way to Heaven myself.

 

[Jung Roe]

I can’t think of too many off the top of my head from the 60’s.  One that does come to mind is the beginnings of the Beach Boys song Fun, Fun, Fun which sounds heavily influenced by Chuck Berry Johnny B Goode too.  There are a lot of songs that do sound similar, but at what point is something outright plagiarism versus something that is just unoriginal influenced heavily by similar sounds and rhythms from other songs and bands at the time.

But there seems to be a lot of plagiarism going on in music today.

I saw on the news not too long ago of Katy Perry losing a court case for plagiarism and being ordered to pay millions. There seems to be a lot of it going on in modern pop music today with either accusations or lawsuits for plagiarism filed.  Some examples are Miley Cyrus, Lil Nas X, Lady Gaga, Carrie Underwood, Mark Ronson and Bruno Marks, Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, Del Rey, Taylor Swift, Sam Smith, Robin Thicke…etc list goes on.
Some of Ariana Grande and Drakes music are at the center of controversy for sounding very similar to other songs etc .

 

[Jung Roe]

Hi Roger

Music is in essence about space, time, pattern, and relationship between the notes isn’t it as you point out. There is a whole topic I uncovered about how mathematics is a big part of music. Notes are basically frequencies, and if you combine frequencies that mathematically form basic whole fraction relationships, it sounds really nice to the human brain, and so that is why certain note patterns like chords exist etc. If you combine notes that do not have a simple whole fraction relationship it sounds off and not nice. Bach’s music has tons of examples of mathematics in it’s patterns and relationships, and why Einstein is so attracted to music and said if he wasn’t a mathematician he would be a musician instead or something to that effect.

And as you said the MLT are all about the experience of the music and understand how it can move and touch people, and make a difference in people’s lives. That is what is important to them over popularity and chasing every get famous quick schemes out there. The Wagner family are musical artists first and foremost like the Beatles, Dylan, Stones, and all the great bands from the 60’s were, and so that is why they won’t participate in music competitions, talent shows, or sign up with a major label at the expense of their artistic integrity.  There was a big debate at the forum a few months ago about this on a thread that had to be locked down.

It seems music in Mozart days in essences is no different from music today. A beautiful piece of music today that can move and evoke passion and feelings of unfulfilled longing would have the same form and relationships between notes as music from 300 years ago would. If we built a time machine and transported Beatles music back in time and played it for Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Haydn, Salieri, I wonder what would they think. How would they relate to it? I don’t think it would be too foreign to them honestly. Probably a different story if they heard Rap or some of the stuff the major labels are trying to push, but something truly artistic like a Beatles song, I think they would find beautiful and intriguing. Maybe a good idea for a new Hollywood movie. The Beatles, after a long night of drinking and partying in 1969, wake up in Vienna in 1769 and meet Salieri.   🙂

[Jung Roe]

I think little brothers can be a real pain for the older siblings sometimes.  I blew up all my older brothers plastic model ships and planes one day with my new pellet gun.  It was fun at the time, but I did feel some remorse later.  I don’t know why I did it.   🙂  🙂

That is a shame though the Kinks were banned from touring America for 4 years.  That could be very damaging for an up and rising group.  They are a household name almost in the rock community so it does not look like it hurt them too much.

[Jung Roe]

Here is one Howard, I hadn’t heard in ages and I was in a vintage record store one day, and when it came over the store speakers, it transported me back  to a happy place and time in my teenage days.    Classic 60s sound with a beautful longing feel to it, that lingers in my mind long after the song is over.

https://youtu.be/CeszGwFocYY

[Jung Roe]

Oh wow Tomas!  Thanks for sharing that about working on Mike Love’s show and actually chatting with Bruce Johnston!  I didn’t realize you were involved in the music industry like that.  That is very awesome!

[Jung Roe]

Roger.  So I was in a big Best Buy store near where I live, and in addition to their vast supply of big screen TVs, computers, digital cameras etc they’ve always had for years, they have a substantial music instrument section with digital piano/keyboards and acoustic and electric guitars hanging on the walls, just like in your pictures, and the prices on some of these guitars are quite affordable.  I could sell a few of my fountain pens and buy one of these!   Maybe one of these days I might cross over from the piano to acoustic guitar if I spend enough time in your thread here and watch enough Mona and Lisa videos of them smoking their guitars. 

[Jung Roe]

Wow, I concur with everything said here by David, Jacki and Howard.  Just love everyone’s creativity, knowledge and passion here!

Listened to your parody David with MLTs Close To You in the background, and it just came alive even more!

[Jung Roe]

Tomas, Jacki   I guess if MLT can add in 6 backup vocals (a whole choir) as they did in “Little Drummer Boy”, it should be no problemo.  But they seem to be able to handle/arrange  those additional Beatles vocals just fine between the two of them on their duo acoustic versions, like “Help” they did in the radio studio live on the Billy Butler show.

[Jung Roe]

Howard, I remember hearing Beatles “No Reply” on a previous occasion when you pointed this song out I think in one of the other threads, and agree that is a great song.  That is the power of music, to express such longing passion, and Lisa’s rendition of “I Wish I Was a Punk Rocker” highlights her incredible singing talent at an early age.  I also find their “Best Years of of Our Lives” capture that beautiful longing passion so perfectly in their vocals, both Mona and Lisa here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxUlkky3oII

Just sends shivers whenever I hear this one too.  On their Orange album, “Close To You” is another example of that longing aching passion in the singing among many others of theirs.  These can really move you.

[Jung Roe]

My favorite song off the Beach Boys, Pet Sounds Album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W4KkBwgP7c&feature=share

My favorite song on Sargent Peppers, but it’s damn hard to choose one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNsCeOV4GM

I feel MLTs brilliant “Nothing Is In Vain” has some similarities to this song in terms of the mood and structure like the ending.

[Jung Roe]

Hey Roger thanks!  I am up in the Pacific Northwest of Canada (Vancouver BC).  It sounds like a great idea about touching base with some of the MLT fans here if/when I decide to get a guitar.  Right now though, if I do get one it will be a rather very, very modest one to play around on.  I think I saw an Epiphone acoustic guitar in that store (wow I know some guitar brands now!), but no Gretsch or Rickenbackers.   Looking forward to seeing some of your new additions when you get a chance.

On the recent MLT posting of their two radio interviews with James Whale from 2015, they play some songs and the acoustic guitars just sound so great (crisp rich tones).

[Jung Roe]

Thanks Howard for that insight into the Rolling Stones incident in Toronto.  I thought it was closer to the 60’s but it looks like it was a little later in 1979.  I guess a good deed by Keith Richards came around to save him later by what that one fan did by going to the judge.  A Rolling Stones concert tour is a huge deal in Canada.  They are loved indeed.

The Beatles Aug 22nd 1964 concert in Vancouver was a huge deal, probably as big an event as hosting the Olympics.  However, the city never had such a huge and exciting event before and did not know how to maintain control over the overly enthusiastic crowd.  The Concert  had to be stopped halfway into the show because of a riot which was too bad.  The Beatles never returned to Vancouver.  It must be the overly oxygenated west coast air or the glacial run off waters from the Rockies, as Vancouverites find it hard to contain their enthusiasm sometimes, hence 2 Stanley Cup riots when the team got eliminated in the play offs etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa4FIL6kpS4