MLT Club Member Jung Roe
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Ah yes Howard Amadeus was a classic. Love that scene you mention. Problem with Salieri was his huge pride that he could not get past which led to his demise. Now there is Haydn. Haydn taught both Mozart and Beethoven at one point and had enough humility to know greater talent than his own when he saw it, but still went on to become one of the great composers himself well respected in music history for his contribution unlike Salieri.
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On a light note, let’s agree to disagree. 🙂
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I love this scene about Beethoven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=524VlYD0PVw
Genius or innate talent tempered by “life” challenges, made Beethoven’s music immortal. Beethoven had to work hard for his art, including dealing with the challenges of deafness in his case, and this is why he created music with so much passion and emotion never seen before his time, exceeding all his great predecessors like Bach and Mozart who’s art came more easily.
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Christomir, I was speaking holistically when I said ESC would risk artistic integrity for all the reasons Lisa clearly articulated in bullet points. Yes in a perfect world, in your very specific scenario it would appear there is little risk, :
i.e., if their song is somehow selected AFTER it is already written, and no one asks them to change it even 1 %, or to change the way they present it… or give up any rights, or money… ?
But in your own words that would be very unlikely! Regardless of that, the whole concept of ESC, and presenting their song to be judged by a panel if it passes certain criteria, however effortless, does not sit well with MLT’s artistic values. We should respect that.
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Wow Lisa, you’ve presented a very compelling case highlighting the potential risks with participating in the ESC, especially the first hand accounts by former participants of ESC your dad learned of personally. That article with all the potential politics that take place in the ESC process is illuminating.
Itso, while I can appreciate the positive flip side of the coin about ESC that yourself and Lior point out and you have witnessed over the years watching the ESC, with the negative sides that MLT are aware of, you can hardly blame them for having some reservations to put it mildly.
I am more convinced than ever ESC is not for MLT, especially with all they have going for them right now as true professional artists. No matter how compelling the upside with ESC is if things turn in your favor, risking artistic integrity in the process is too high a price to pay for professional artists, and MLT are artists first and foremost, so I think their decision against ESC is natural here.
This has been an interesting discussion though. Thanks and have a good weekend all.
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Hi Mr Christomir (or Itso if I may). It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance here, and loved reading your incredibly thoughtful posts here. I wasn’t planning on posting anything further on this thread but given your enlightening posts, I would like to respond with any additional 2 cents I have left 🙂 . I think one thing that we can all certainly agree on here is that we all want MLT to be hugely successful as they deserve in getting their great music out to the world for all to discover. There is a lot of joy in their music that a lot of people really need to experience, as I think they are one of the few bands these days creating truly good music that can have a big positive impact on peoples lives and the world just like the Beatles did and many other musical legends from the past. “No more Worries Company”, “It’s Alright”, “In It For Love”, “That’s Life”, “The Wide, Wide, Land” etc. So much positive and enlightening music there.
I don’t doubt your knowledge and everything you said about the ESC for one minute, but I think just as many of us strong MLT fans as there are here, there are going to be just as many well-intentioned creative ideas on how MLT should accomplish their goals. Challenge is what is best for MLT at this time? Putting aside any debate about whether ESC is competitive or not and how it fits within MLTs artistic values, I suspect MLT time and resources are limited between time needed to create new music without distractions, all the projects planned, and time/effort required to keep the MLT website and MLT Club going etc… Of course only MLT can answer this for themselves, but these are concerns that would come to my mind in regards to ESC.
I don’t think there is any fear or concern by MLT about how their music will be judged at the ESC, but rather more a concern whether it is a worthwhile endeavor in time and effort for a “chance” their music might get selected. Will the price in time and effort with ESC for a “chance” be worth it or just become a huge distraction? I know you mentioned there is very little for MLT to do other than submitting their music, but who knows for sure? I think very few things, especially in business and music or show business are free, in terms of resources, time, and effort. That’s just my personal opinion.
I have faith in MLT’s wisdom and judgement here as they know the music industry far better than any of us here, and I trust and support whatever they decide to do which I am certain will be a well thought out and prudent one. As I indicated in my first post here, it’s good MLT always keep an open mind so they never limit opportunities for themselves, but it is equally important from my own personal business sense to not lose sight of priorities and see plans thru to completion before pursuing other options.
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Thanks for pointing out those other John Lennon songs Howard. I’m not familiar with those ones you mentioned but my curiosity is piqued. If reincarnation was true, I’d bet Beethoven and Mozart would’ve loved to come back as John and Paul. 🙂
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We’ve got plenty of other videos in the works we want to focus on first as well as concentrate on new original songs.
That’s awesome Lisa! 🙂
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Tomas, it’s interesting you draw the parallel between Beethoven and John Lennon. I always felt that way too about Lennon, and perhaps Paul McCartney is more like a Mozart. John always seemed to be the more passionate and emotionally spirited of the 4, and Paul was the song writing genius who kept cranking out the songs. In the post Beatles, for me John’s “Imagine” eclipses Paul’s numerous solo works.
The thing that set Beethoven apart from the other composers in history was he was an equally accomplished master pianist, probably the best in his day or ever that no one could come close to, and he didn’t start out as a child prodigy like Mozart, but had to develop his piano skills. I think earlier in his career when he started to compose, he was more famous as a master pianist drawing crowds where ever he went.
The article I read tried to point out Beethoven had to work harder for his art than Mozart and Bach, and in the end created greater music. Beethoven’s music had more emotional depth than Bach and Mozart’s masterpieces, perhaps because of how hard it was for Beethoven to create his art while facing challenges of deafness and other obstacles in his life.
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This has evolved into an interesting discussion about natural talent versus hard work and discipline to earn one’s accomplishments.
This reminds me of something I read in a classical music article some time ago comparing natural born geniuses like Bach and Mozart who inherited inspiration from the heavens and their art came more easily than Beethoven who possessed a more modest natural talent and had to really work painfully hard for his art. Beethoven didn’t possess the natural born child prodigy genius of a Mozart or Bach. Bach and Mozart’s composition in Symphonies and Concertos vastly outnumbered Beethoven’s output, example 40+ Mozart Symphonies to only 9 Beethoven Symphonies or 20+ Piano Concertos by both Bach and Mozart to Beethoven’s mere 5 etc… It appeared perfect music just appeared to Bach and Mozart with ease because of their genius, and hence their greater volume output. Bach’s music was a force of nature full of math and physics, and Mozart’s music was angelic. While the greatness of Bach and Mozart’s work is undeniable in the impact they had in music, each work Beethoven produced through sweat and blood are monuments. Depth and emotions are considered to be greater in each of Beethoven’s work. While music was generally considered a lesser art than literature, paintings, and sculptures etc prior to Beethoven in the days Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Handel, Bach and Mozart, many classical music experts credit Beethoven’s work for elevating music as an art form to a plateau equal to the other arts. After Beethoven, composers were held with the same high esteem as the likes of Picasso, Shakespeare and Da Vinci. So there is much to be said for hard work and dedication when it comes to music and art.
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Hi Lisa
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts here about your musical journey and aspects of it that mean the most to you. I know I have shared some personal things about myself and my family in the last couple of years and the wonderful impact your music has had for me, and many of your other fans have expressed the same to you too over the years, and the fact you chose reading about those as some of your most fulfilling parts of your career really speaks volumes about the kind of remarkable and thoughtful musical artists and wonderful people you both truly are. 🙂 You and your little sis Mona truly just want to make the world a better place through your music and bring joy to the world, and your parents, Rudi and Michaela, have done an absolute remarkable job raising you both into the wonderful and talented human beings you both have become. Loved reading every word! As Howard and Richard put it so eloquently, your music and everything you do brings so much joy and inspiration to our lives like a ray of sunshine.
I can personally relate to one of your memorable moments when you “held Orange in your hands for the very first time…”. I recall receiving the Orange download email Sept 29th 2017 just past midnight UK time (4PM the 28th here) when the album was released to the public and scrambling to download the songs and into my smart phone so I can listen to every beautiful note of the album undisturbed on head phones. It felt like Christmas morn! I hadn’t felt this kind of excitement for quite a while, and it’s these kinds of every day smaller things too that I speak of when you bring joy into our lives. And there were the more moving moments when I saw and heard “The Wide, Wide, Land” video for the first time, and you said some very kind words about the loss of my mom in one of your first replies to my email I sent expressing gratitude for your music. Watching the Wide, Wide, Land I could so relate to what my mom must have gone through when she use to smile in joy when I took her out to the wide open countryside and farmland near where I live in the car. San Francisco was another song that reminded me a lot of my last meaningful holiday in San Francisco with my mom before she became afflicted with dementia years ago. So your music had a big part in my year long healing process after my mom passed away from a 12 years battle with Alzheimers in 2016. 🙂
On the music scene these days I think you are paving a new way for yourselves and other talented musical acts to follow on how to circumvent the flailing music industry and record labels, that are doing a disservice to the music world, and become successful creating truly good music like in the great song writing hey days of the past, doing it all your way. In a CBC news report I uncovered recently the “Bill Boards” music industry analysts are saying the population are looking back in time for good music because the new music today is so sad and mediocre. People are fed up with todays music.
The music world is getting more ripe for positive good music like yours and the likes of the Beatles from the past. It’s great you are documenting your musical journey so well, as I forsee in the not too distant future after you’ve both conquered the music world and touched all corners of the earth with your music, they (the BBC, Rollng Stone Magazine and others) will do a documentary and write books about MLT and how you rose above the establishment and became successful on your own terms . The way of the new music industry is being crafted out by MLT today, true pioneers!
Thanks again Lisa!
Here is that CBC clip about pop music today. Forward to 40:11 to watch the clip. (I posted previously on another thread here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=pwIiJ9Lvq1Q
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By panel I meant whoever does the selecting of their song.
Well Christomir, “..if they decide to” they, MLT, will know who to call for advice about ESC. 🙂 As I said earlier to our good friend Michael Triba, we are all aligned on wanting to see MLT become “insanely” successful… even though we may have differing creative ideas on how they get there. 🙂 As the wise Richard McGlenn suggests maybe it’s time put this puppy to bed, and this old puppy is going to bed now too.
The best part through all this was to see Ms Leeesa’s insightful and thougthtful responses here about ESC. Thank you. MLT have certainly done their research about ESC. Impressive as always.
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Really well stated Howard. It looks like we were both responding at the same time, I didn’t see yours.
